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June 16, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed
January 16, 2013	Featured article candidate	Not promoted

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"Jailhouse Rock" is an album and a song...and also a martial art which was developed in prison." What? The song was developed in the prison? --Menchi 08:37, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I rearranged and reworded the part on the martial art. It was kinda thrown in there awkwardly. Aesopian 17:09, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Jailhouse rock787.jpg

Image:Jailhouse rock787.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page. If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 03:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moved synopsis paragraph here

The last paragraph of the synopsis is an unsourced essay [1], so I have moved it here.

What teenagers in the 1950s saw, however, was not the humble pie at the end, but the moody belligerence, heightened by episodes of violence as Presley lashed out at things he detested, like the executive who stole his idea to make a buck. The behavior exhibited by Presley in the film broke all the rules of acceptability known to anyone growing up in the decade, ignoring the parameters they had been taught to observe in that conformist decade. Denigrating his would-be girlfriend Tyler with a mixture of lust and arrogant indifference, instead of asking her to accept his fraternity pledge pin before immediately settling down, getting married, and moving to suburbia, and his seemingly unjustified anger to those trying to help him, must have been exhilirating to teenagers at the time. Although much of the movie appears to modern eyes as awkward, overdone, and at times downright silly, Presley's performance in Jailhouse Rock cemented his image as an embodiment of fifties teen rebellion, alongside Marlon Brando in The Wild One and James Dean in Rebel Without A Cause.

Bantosh 21:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments after copy edit

Hey! I just finished working on the article and had a couple comments and suggestions:

I think the plot summary could be condensed somewhat. I took the liberty of removing a few sentences here and there; hopefully it wasn't anything critical. I read this essay before I started: Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary, but I didn't want to change too much because I haven't seen the movie myself.
Some quotations in the critical reception section contain errors, which I'll put in bold-face for this example:

Cue magazine delivered another unfavorable review, describing the movie plot as "(an) Unpleasant, mediocre and tasteless drama of a surly, (about a) Ill- mannered, hillbilly convict whose glowering creed and epileptic singling style make him top record star."

Square brackets should used to indicate editorial replacements and insertions within the quotations. Also, if those typos were present in the actual quote, then you should throw in some {{sic}} tags, or someone may "correct" them. If they are typographical errors, they should be corrected. I have a feeling it's a little of both, but I don't have access to the source text, so I can't check it. Here's another:

The Miami News wrote: "Only Elvis Presley and his ‘Jailhouse Rock’ can keep pace with the movie debut of this ‘personality,’ the records show. In estimating the lasting appeal of their grotesque performer"

What's with that sentence fragment at the end there?

Anyway, aside from those few things, I thought it was pretty good. Now I want to watch the movie. Cheers. Braincricket (talk) 08:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Impossible

Jailhouse Rock premiered on November 8, 1957, at Loews State Theater in Memphis, Tennessee. It opened nationally on October 17.[30] This needs fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:1018:4055:A4B1:2F5A:324F:6626 (talk) 11:14, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jailhouse Rock (film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: SilkTork (talk · contribs) 23:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC) I'll start reading over the next few days and then begin to make comments. I am a slow reviewer, so if there is a desire to have the review done soon, then let me know and I'll withdraw now. I tend to directly do copy-editing and minor improvements rather than make long lists, though sometimes I will make a general comment, especially if there is a lot of work needed. I see the reviewer's role as collaborative and collegiate, so I welcome discussion regarding interpretation of the criteria. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 23:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pass. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 11:47, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tick box

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Comments

Pass

Stable. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Has a reference section. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Images OK. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
MoS elements apart from Lead and Lists are OK. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:50, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Appears to be neutral and sticks to the sources. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:31, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Prose is clear and readable. There are minor errors which I'm clearing as I spot them. Nothing serious. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:32, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Query

Is there sufficient coverage of the music? A bit more prose material (perhaps taken from Jailhouse Rock (EP) and Jailhouse Rock (song)) might be useful. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 15:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is there more material available on the production? Looking at that section again, I can see some of the material being moved to a music section, leaving more space for details of the production. We have dates for completion of production, but not for the start. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is the detail that Presley never watched the film gossip or relevant fact? I looked for other sources on that, and found only one. I'm sort of interested in it, but would like more details and more sources. Who is making this claim? SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The reception section is quite long compared to the rest of the article. Is the amount of material there proportionate to the article? There are a number of quotes that could perhaps be better summarised or even cut. This - "As the dollar-hungry recording star, Elvis' acting is unaccountably amateurish, considering the real life coaching he's had for the role. He plays the surly churlish heartthrob of competent actress Judy Tyler with indifferent blandness; charges into a romantic clinch with her like Don Quixote tilting at a particularly formidable windmill." could be summarised as "Down Beat felt Presley's acting was amateurish and bland." If people want the extra detail they can follow the cite to the source. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fail

Cast list is unsourced and merely a list. See WP:EMBED (part of GA criteria) and WP:CASTLIST (Manual of Style/Film). SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:50, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lead needs building per WP:Lead. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:50, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the article is suitably referenced, but the cast section needs attention. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 15:07, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On hold

This is a pleasant and informative article. The main issues are the lead and the cast section. Some consideration needs to be given to summarising the quotes in the reception section, and in perhaps developing a music section and more detail on the production. How much of this later part is ongoing development and how much impacts on the GA criteria is open for discussion - but it would be worth doing anyway, and I'm prepared to help out. Putting on hold for an initial seven days to allow work to be done. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:35, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I started to assess your concerns:

I moved the soundtrack session under production, and expanded the creation of the songs as well as the recording (of course the parts relevant to this article). I could see that some other material was added by other users while the article still had no reviewer, so I had to do some fixes to the information that was added on the meantime. I think it is now good enough.--GDuwenTell me! 20:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Production:I will be looking in some books if there are any further production details that I overlooked before, so I'll probably fill in some more information on that through the week.--GDuwenTell me! 20:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Probably the line about Presley not watching the movie is something merely trivial, I've seen it in different sources and back in the moment I though it was worth adding. I'm still not sure on that one.--GDuwenTell me! 20:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Reception: Agree, I will trim the section. I get always a bit over carried with the reviews (as you seen in Honky Tonk Heroes. I'll work on it through the week.--GDuwenTell me! 20:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cast: I added some prose, taking as an example another GA (A Beautiful Mind). Is it ok now?--GDuwenTell me! 20:46, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that you selected that film as a guideline. It was delisted as a GA due to various concerns, including a comment from me regarding the inadequacies of the Cask section - see Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/A Beautiful Mind (film)/1. It is also, sadly, not uncommon for GA reviewers to list articles as Good when they haven't appropriately met the GA criteria. The GA criteria asks that we don't pass articles that have inappropriate embedded lists and which include unsourced challengable statements. Do we have a source, for example, for Mike Stoller being in the movie, given that his appearance is uncredited? I have been involved in writing film articles that became Good Articles with inadequate cast list (I Am Legend (film) for example), but as I have become aware of the appropriate manner of presenting the casting material in a more informative manner I have paid attention to it - so in recent GA reviews I passed Pilot (Boardwalk Empire) but failed Arrested Development (TV series). I'll look into helping build and source the Cask section. We need more of a focus on the actors than the characters they portray, as that information is more appropriate to the plot. The MoS guideline I linked above is useful - WP:CASTLIST. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:19, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I found information on the characters and I added it to the article. (except Vaughn Taylor, I was not able to find any information on his casting)--GDuwenTell me! 23:20, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I also expanded some production details, the lead and trimmed a little bit the reviews.--GDuwenTell me! 01:16, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have got a bunch of books on Elvis from my local library, though information on Jailhouse Rock is fairly spares in most of them. One of them says that Elvis didn't attend the première of the film because he was upset at the death of Judy Tyler, and that sounds more likely than that Elvis never watched the film. I should be able to close this review over the next couple of days. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 22:55, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is next on my to do list, and I hope to get it wrapped up shortly. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pass

Good work by everyone involved. This is a readable and informative article which is well referenced. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 11:47, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 October 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. And endorsing No such user's reversal of the undiscussed addition of the year to the title. Jenks24 (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jailhouse Rock (1957 film) → Jailhouse Rock – Two months ago, on August 19, the main header was moved, without explanation, from Jailhouse Rock (film) to Jailhouse Rock (1957 film). The film, however, may be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over "Jailhouse Rock" (song) and two other entries at the Jailhouse Rock disambiguation page. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:12, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I moved this page back to Jailhouse Rock (film) – this was an undiscussed and unexplained move, for which I can't find a justification, as there's no other film titled "Jailhouse Rock". That being said, I oppose the original proposal, as the song is about equally notable as the film. Although they're related, they are still quite different topics. No such user (talk) 07:38, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Keep it as is, so it's easier to correct incoming links that go to the wrong place. IMO, I'd have the song as the PT, but I don't think there's a clear primary article in this case. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The film is no more primary than the song. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:54, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The film, under either title, received fewer page views than the song in the last 90 days.[2]--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:39, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.